How SO? Obama was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee ,Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and the Subcommittee for European Affairs. Certainly not extensive experience, but what exactly does Cain bring to the table in foreign affairs?

They are more than just mistakes. I call it the pandering game. I understand why they do it. It is difficult when the strategy is to grab the base for the primary and then "become a centrist" for the general election. My overall point is that I find him to be no more straightforward than some of the others. Straightforward to me is somebody like Ron Paul. Not somebody I plan on voting for but I don't think I have ever seen him change his position or use ambiguous language when stating his positions on issues.

However that is one place where my doubt lies. I usually look at a candidates website to see who their advisers are since many are usually rewarded with key posts within administrations. Not much substance on his site that's for sure.

That holds no sway for me. I've heard him too. I listen to a lot of political radio, its interesting and entertaining but any way you slice it, it is ALL propaganda.

Perhaps it is.  However, I don't believe one can give an opinion day after day for years on end and keep from revealing aspects of their character and beliefs.  Just reporting the news?  Sure.  But commentary?  Not so much. 

Different strokes I guess.  A website is not even on my list of things required by a future president, let alone the absence of which to judge him.

Hmm.  I haven't seen that at all.  I see a man who admits his mistakes.  Could it be that we've become so jaded that a little humility seems like pandering?

True.  I guess Obama's 300+ days of actual Senate time may have gotten him a brief glimpse at foreign affairs.  But I wouldn't qualify it as "experience."





If you check, Obama had neither---no business, executive, or foreign affairs experience when he first ran for Congress.

Good point Tova. I would add that as far as one's ability to deal wtih foreign affairs, Obama does have experience bowing to a Saudi king.    BARF!

I don't judge him on the absence of information on a website. The lack of information on his website simply gives me less information to judge him on, just as the lack of a record as a Governor or legislator gives me even less information than other candidates from which to judge him. If I can't judge him to a degree with which I find acceptable I simply won't vote for him.

Of course you wouldn't. Simply makes your bias more apparent. The reality is Obama now has more experience so when I go to the polls for the primary If I were to vote on foreign affairs experience alone I would probably choose Jon Huntsman. If I were to vote on character alone I would probably vote for Ron Paul. If I was a single-issue voter I would choose the candidate which supports that particular issue.

Most of my opinion of his character and beliefs is formed from listening to his radio show, However, Showbiz is showbiz. It's all about image and ratings.

I have seen him admit some mistakes. I applaud him for that. I have also seen him pandering. I personally don't feel jaded at all. I'm simply not blind to the difference between a mistake and pandering.

Unfortunately until this country has the ability to move Saudi Arabia off the necessary oil supply list there will be plenty of bowing going on whether you see it on camera or not.

We should get away from Saudi Arabia for our oil..the sooner the better, but as long as Obama is in charge, that won't happen. Another good reason he needs to get the boot.  

And now Cain is up to his ears fighting against allegations of sexual harrassment. We'll see how all that plays out.

Take a look at current data on world oil reserves,production, and consumption. Then you might actually understand USG foreign policy concerning Saudi Arabia, and many other countries as well.

I hope it isn't true.  But you know what?  It was almost 20 years ago...and unless something more recent shows up, I'm not likely to believe this is habitual.

Most of mine opinions were formed there as well.  (I've always hated his enunciation though! lol) 

Oh, well let me make it clear...I don't like Obama's leadership or apparent world view.  I am totally biased. In fact, ABO (anybody but obama) will likely get my vote next year.    

Ok my bad.  I misunderstood your comment.  Though wouldn't a website also just be "propaganda?"  I can't imagine they'd put up anything negative.



Many people are unhappy with Obama's Administration for various reasons. But it's primary season. So I try to find the pro's and con's amongst the Republican field not the other side. Unfortunately many posters here are, for whatever reasons, totally incapable of doing that. They drift off into Obama rants instead of comparing the republican field. The only thing I consider regarding Obama is whether I think a candidate can beat him in the general election. Otherwise its primary season. I'm not interested in Obama rants. I'm interested in comparing republican candidates because that is what I'm going to the polls for next time.

There is plenty of propaganda there. However, some of the campaigns do have various degrees of actual plans, goals, and "promises" that they would like to at least try to accomplish. Generally you have to click past the "donate here" and "propaganda here" links to get to them.

Even though we have known oil reserves here in the US, we are importing oil primarily from our 2 neighbors...Canada and Mexico.

And this is another stark difference between Obama and the GOP candidates are all for domestic drilling and developing those thus making us more self reliant and create jobs.

Besides bowing down to the Saudi king, Obama is bowing down to the radical Green environmentalists.

It's a very complex situation. Mexico's reserves are lower than ours so they won't be #2 for long. A lot of Canada's come from tar sands which is much  more expensive to produce.  So we average the cost of expensive sources with inexpensive sources. Otherwise you would be paying a lot more at the pump. Canada does the same thing. They import oil from the U.S. as well as many of the cheap sources we get our Crude Oil from. Well guess where the inexpensive sources are? (Hint:Its not the U.S. and you won't find the answer in your bible)

The energy issue is very complex. I would suggest you start reading because US news outlets only give you political propaganda.

lol..speaking of which, I've read HCs contributions went up with the accusation of sexual harassment.

Good point.  And smart.  ~Note to self.  Don't get side tracked!~



I agree.

As for the rest of your post, we have had career politicians and they have been abject failures.  Indeed, the best in the past 40 years was one with just a little experience in Politics.  We just elected one that was pure politics, and he is the worst.  Whether Cain will be good is a crap shoot, as it is with any unknown.  But I would like to give it a try.  Historically (pre-20th century) many presidents were newbies.  Some were good, some were not. It is time we checked out a real person.