Mexican Cristeros
Published on June 3, 2012 By lulapilgrim In Politics
For Greater Glory Poster
 
......coming to theaters near you June 1st, the story of Mexican Cristeros...........

 Caution: Powerful film examines faith, persecution
Ed Vitagliano - Guest Columnist - 5/30/2012 2:15:00 PM

 

Ed VitaglianoFor centuries, Christians have wrestled with the questions of how their faith should impact culture and how far they should go to promote a righteous and just society. For Greater Glory, a film arriving in theaters June 1, dives head first into such thorny issues.

 

 

This powerful film examines the response of Catholics in Mexico in the mid to late 1920s to growing persecution. Plutarco Calles, the president of Mexico, instituted severe restrictions on the Catholic Church -- restrictions which turned increasingly violent. The film shows priests being executed by hanging and by firing squad, churches being desecrated and worshipers shot by soldiers during services.

 

Catholics in the country divided over whether to respond to this persecution by accepting their suffering or by armed revolt. Many Catholics chose the latter, fearing that secularists aimed to exterminate their faith altogether. The result was the "Cristero" Rebellion -- a term that derived from the loyalty of the rebels to "Cristo Rey," or "Christ the King."
 
For Greater Glory clearly presents the Cristero Rebellion as the proper response to Calles' efforts, although it is also shows the courage of those priests who preferred martyrdom to armed conflict. In addition, the film demonstrates that sometimes violence gets out of hand -- even in the service of a noble cause.
 
For Greater Glory is well-written, fast-paced and has some star power, with Andy Garcia, Eva Longoria, and Peter O'Toole headlining it.
 
There is plenty of violence -- it's a war movie after all -- and for that reason it is rated R. There is no profanity, but the film does include lots of drinking and smoking, and one scene where women are shown in undergarments (of the time period) as they seek to hide ammunition intended for the Cristeros.
 
The message of the Cristeros is summarized by one character's statement: "We are an army fighting for God and the church and for freedom." The viewer must wrestle -- as the film does -- with whether or not such a motive is proper for a Christian.

 


Comments (Page 3)
on Jul 06, 2012

Jythier
Bad news, Obama.  If there's no creator, you haven't been endowed with any rights.

I think that doesn't matter to Obama who had a Communist mentor? 

on Jul 06, 2012

Relocated as content direction has shifted 'political'.

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on Jul 06, 2012

Relocated as content direction has shifted 'political'.

No problem.

Regarding Schlafly's article #29 ...

I think there is a lot to be said about the comparison of Mexico's president, Calles in the 1920's to our current President Obama.  

lulapilgrim
In 1926, the Mexican president, Plutarco Elias Calles, brutally enforced laws to suppress religion. Soldiers on horseback broke into churches, vandalized church property, killed priests, and strung up dead bodies on posts to terrify the people.

lulapilgrim
Through speeches and regulations, President Obama is trying to eliminate all public references to religion, to force religious worship behind closed doors, and to coerce religious institutions into financing drugs and procedures that violate their religious faith. ObamaCare will force Christian hospitals, colleges and schools to pay for abortifacients, contraceptives and sterilizations for their employees.

If they don’t obey Obama’s orders, the penalty is financial death. It’s no wonder that Obama campaigned as a messiah in 2008 saying, “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for.”

 

 

on Jan 25, 2013

Watching the movie now and it seems well made and heart braking for sure. Not sure I will be able give you the review you want ... we shall see.

on Jan 26, 2013

GFTEss,

I almost fell off my chair when I read your post! We just finished watching it too. When I say "we", I mean my husband's niece is visiting and she speaks Spanish.  At first I thought we would have to watch it in English and hoped to have subtitles in Spanish, but to our delight, it comes with the option of both English and Spanish.

 

on Jan 26, 2013

lulapilgrim
Obama censors the Declaration of Independence

BY PHYLLIS SCHLAFLY, FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT EAGLE FORUM



Wed Jul 04, 2012 09:39 EST


This column has been republished with permission of The Eagle Forum

Who does President Barack Obama think he is that he can change the wording of the Declaration of Independence? Again and again he presumes to quote the great Declaration while making a significant change: he omits the word “Creator.”

Americans know that the Declaration of Independence proclaims as a matter of fact that they “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.” But when Obama recites this line, he omits the word “Creator.”

Listen carefully to how Obama censors that famous line. Here are his own words: “all men are created equal, that each of us are endowed with certain inalienable rights.” He doesn’t say who endowed us.

Obama has done this so often that it can’t be a slip of the tongue or a glitch of the teleprompter. Changing the words of the Declaration of Independence is part of Obama’s determination to remove everything religious and every mention of God from every aspect of our public life in order to fundamentally transform us from “one nation under God” into one nation under the Federal Government, especially the executive branch, with no higher power recognized.

On this Fourth of July, we should remind ourselves that the great Declaration of Independence is not only the proclamation of our independence and sovereignty, but is also the official affirmation of our belief and faith in God. The Declaration asserts God’s existence as a “self-evident” truth, and states that the purpose of government is to secure our God-given unalienable individual rights.

The Declaration contains five references to God — God as our Creator, God as supreme Lawmaker, God as the Source of all rights, God as the world’s supreme Judge, and God as our Protector....


 

First off, Phyllis Schlafly, really?  I'll get back to her.

 

Now, the the Declaration of Independence is not an official paper of the United States of America.  It plays absolutely no role in how our government is run. It doesn't matter if the Declaration contains five references to "God" or five hundred.

 

There are ZERO references to God in the Constitution of the United States of America and no, the date written as written ("Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven") on the Constitution is not a reference to God, rather is was the way dates were written in those days in both religious and secular contexts.


And it's the Constitution of the United States of America, not the Declaration of Independence, on which what we now call the United States of America was founded.


The Founding Fathers made their thoughts on the mixture of church and state clear:


"...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, ‘Jesus Christ...the holy author of our religion,’ which was rejected ‘By a great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every denomination." -Thomas Jefferson, on the The Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom, in his autobiography discussing the need in the years following the Declaration of Independence to revise Virginia laws to purge them of the remnants of colonial laws.


"That religion, or the duty we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience." - Patrick Henry (Virginia Bill of Rights, June 12, 1776.)



"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law" -Thomas Jefferson


"...the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction." -George Washington, (1789, responding to clergy complaints that the Constitution lacked mention of Jesus Christ)

 

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries" -James Madison

 

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." -James Madison

 

"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." -Treaty of Tripoli (June 7, 1797), signed by John Adams

 

Now, back to current times.  This LIE Schlafly propagates that "through speeches and regulations, President Obama is trying to eliminate all public references to religion," is easily proven false.  Obama mentions God in every speech he gives, and there has been no regulation by Obama that eliminates "all references to religion."  How do we know this?  Because most of us have TV, and access to the internet, and there's this thing called video, which records what people say, and practically everything the President says is recorded and/or broadcast live, so we know what Schlafly claims is one big fat lie.


So what does that say about Schlafly?  Well, for one thing, she's not a very good Christian and doesn't believe in "God as supreme Lawmaker" as stated in the Declaration because it's the Bible itself that says "Lying lips are abomination to the LORD" (Proverbs 12:22). The Bible says "a lying tongue," "An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations," "a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren" are abominations to Him, and "doth the LORD hate" them (Proverbs 6:16), but that doesn't stop Schlafly!


So why would anyone who considers themselves a Christian even bother with such an unabashed sinner and liar as Schlafly in the first place??

on Jan 27, 2013

I thought the movie was well done with very good acting. I thought it made an attempt to give some of the views of the government which surprised me. There was enough war action to interest the bloodthirsty, drama for the dramatic, misery for the emotional and Catholic for the Catholics. There is nothing good about war and the only admission we can make is we failed to compromise, something the RCC does not tolerate no matter how many martyrs they make of other practitioners … elsewhere. As far as I am concerned, there have been more martyrs in the aboriginal peoples of the world alone to exceed the number of Catholics that live today … and you are respectful of the people responsible, your early Catholic relatives. And you acknowledge none of these murders because your folk had god on their side, the most merciful god that was ever invented … meanwhile dead Catholics who knowingly and needlessly sacrificed themselves are sainted on the graves of those billions of innocents.

History is always written by the victor … or whoever is writing the script. Whenever any MOVIE starts out with “This is a true story…” flags should go up. Lula you have no clue of what a true martyr is. You think it is some Catholic or another who believes as the movie said “There is no greater glory than to give your life for Christ” (to the boy no less) … now I understand too. A true martyr is someone having no options because the powers that be (nothing to do with ANY god) will it so. True martyrs like true heroes seek neither adulations nor do they seek fame and fortune nor do they throw their life away … they give it away because they have NO options or it is just the right thing to do (no god required). Here is a list of several movies where true martyrs seek no glory or recognition. And because of this, they are all but forgotten … if not for people like me who actually values life, all life, all races, all religions because I am not bigoted. It doesn’t apply to people (IMO) who go to their death for glory or principles because they have been led to believe it is the will of your unproven god on faulty evidence. This has been the process for almost two centuries and it needs to come to a stop. I admire the backbone of people like this but I sorrow for their unnecessary murders.  Why are blood sacrifices so appealing to your god of peace and your church??? There are plenty more reminders available mind you.

Apocalypto

Even the Rain

911 (Jackie Chan)

City of Life and Death (Nanjing 1937)

The Flowers of War (1937 Nanking)

PS - Do you ever lock at ANYTHING besides creationists (Catholic) supported stuff???

on Jan 29, 2013

 From my reply #29......

This column has been republished with permission of The Eagle Forum

Who does President Barack Obama think he is that he can change the wording of the Declaration of Independence? Again and again he presumes to quote the great Declaration while making a significant change: he omits the word “Creator.”

Americans know that the Declaration of Independence proclaims as a matter of fact that they “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.” But when Obama recites this line, he omits the word “Creator.”

Listen carefully to how Obama censors that famous line. Here are his own words: “all men are created equal, that each of us are endowed with certain inalienable rights.” He doesn’t say who endowed us.

Obama has done this so often that it can’t be a slip of the tongue or a glitch of the teleprompter. Changing the words of the Declaration of Independence is part of Obama’s determination to remove everything religious and every mention of God from every aspect of our public life in order to fundamentally transform us from “one nation under God” into one nation under the Federal Government, especially the executive branch, with no higher power recognized.

On this Fourth of July, we should remind ourselves that the great Declaration of Independence is not only the proclamation of our independence and sovereignty, but is also the official affirmation of our belief and faith in God. The Declaration asserts God’s existence as a “self-evident” truth, and states that the purpose of government is to secure our God-given unalienable individual rights.

The Declaration contains five references to God — God as our Creator, God as supreme Lawmaker, God as the Source of all rights, God as the world’s supreme Judge, and God as our Protector.

Shortly before we started hearing fireworks for this year’s Fourth of July, the movie “For Greater Glory” opened in local theaters. It is a compelling dramatization of the Mexican government’s persecution of Christians from 1926 to 1929, a bloody piece of history that has hitherto been ignored by historians and filmmakers.

.........................................

 PoliticalVision posts:  

First off, Phyllis Schlafly, really? I'll get back to her.

Yes, Phyllis Schlafly really! She's doing a great job revealing Obama's war on religious freedom, that is if the religion is Christianity. He is very accommodating to Islam as well as Secular and Atheistic Humanism...the emerging "one world" religion.  

This LIE Schlafly propagates that "through speeches and regulations, President Obama is trying to eliminate all public references to religion," is easily proven false. Obama mentions God in every speech he gives, and there has been no regulation by Obama that eliminates "all references to religion." How do we know this? Because most of us have TV, and access to the internet, and there's this thing called video, which records what people say, and practically everything the President says is recorded and/or broadcast live, so we know what Schlafly claims is one big fat lie.

Schlafly is telling the truth which Obama-loving Liberals often find hard to hear. It's true, through speeches and regulations, Obama IS INDEED trying to eliminate all public references to religion (Almighty God).

As far as speeches....

RE: the highlighted. This is you not being truthful. Obama DOES NOT mention God in every speech....and that's exactly Schlafly's point. Obama censored God out of his speech and it's not the first time he did that. Go back to my reply #29 and click on the word "Listen" at the beginning of the paragraph.  

The truth that Obama censors God from the Declaration is right there...we know that through "this thing called video, which records what people say".

In 2010, when speaking in Indonesia about our national motto, Obama didn't say the words, "In God we trust" but instead substituted "E Pluribus Unum". 

Before giving a speech at Georgetown, he had his advance team drape over any religious symbols that might appear as a backdrop where he was going to speak.  Obama made sure the IHS symbol, a monogram of the name Jesus Christ was not in sight.

And then there are Obama's 2011 and 2012 Thanksgiving addresses. George Washington advised Americans to set aside a day of public thanksgiving to God for the great favors He has bestowed on our Nation and the long series of presidents all made mention of God, but not Obama.

As far as regulations...

Without doubt, Obama enthusiasm for abortions and even supporting selective infanticide is the most radical yet.

That would be Obamacare and its implementation of the Health and Human Services mandate forcing Catholic institutions to pay for abortion-producing drugs, contraception and sterilization which is imo, unconstitutional because it abridges Catholic's freedom of speech and interferes with the free exercise of religion.

As he promised in his 2008 campaign, Obama wants to "fundamentally transform" America, and the mandate plays into Obama's war on Religious freedom. 

To "fundamentally transform" America from it's Judaic/Christian ethic and standards of morality as depicted by the Ten Commandments, he must violate or ignore the Founding documents.

So it's not surprising that those Christians who "cling to their guns and religion" get in his way.

on Jan 29, 2013

 

PoliticalVision writes:

Now, the the Declaration of Independence is not an official paper of the United States of America.

Yes, it's one of our most cherished founding documents. The US Constitution is the basis of our government (the law of the land), but before the Constitution was ratified in the Year of Our Lord, 1788, the Declaration of Independence was formally adopted by the Congress on July 4, 1776. In this unanimous Declaration, the delegates pledged their reasons for breaking away from England and "in support with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence", mutually pledged their "lives, fortunes and sacred honor" to the cause of freedom.

Four days later, the Liberty Bell was rung to call the people for the first public reading of the declaration when the signer's set their signature to the parchment.

Now, the the Declaration of Independence is not an official paper of the United States of America. It plays absolutely no role in how our government is run. It doesn't matter if the Declaration contains five references to "God" or five hundred.

The Founders said the basic reason for creating a government is to protect the inalienable rights of the people. The government is to provide "liberty under law" which means that no law should be passed unless it is specifically designed to protect life, liberty, and well-being of the people.   

Now, we've seen that Obama has made use of the Declaration of Independence, but seemingly for his own purposes of fundamentally transforming America. Again, in order for Obama to accomplish that, the references to God must be abandoned as well as it's reference to self-evident truths that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

There are ZERO references to God in the Constitution of the United States of America and no, the date written as written ("Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven") on the Constitution is not a reference to God, rather is was the way dates were written in those days in both religious and secular contexts.

Yes, the Founders certainly believed "in the year of our Lord" referred to God. They used and referenced the Christian calendar as did the rest of the world until rather recently when Anno Domini,  A.D.--the year of our Lord and Before Christ, B.C. was replaced.

Our Lord Jesus Christ, Who came into this world to redeem mankind, is now spurned once again by the world with the desire to erase from public memory any reference to His existence. But it's an effort in futility.

Viva Cristo Rey!  

on Feb 13, 2013

 

 

 

lulapilgrim
Schlafly is telling the truth which Obama-loving Liberals often find hard to hear. It's true, through speeches and regulations, Obama IS INDEED trying to eliminate all public references to religion (Almighty God).

lulapilgrim
Yes, Phyllis Schlafly really! She's doing a great job revealing Obama's war on religious freedom, that is if the religion is Christianity. He is very accommodating to Islam as well as Secular and Atheistic Humanism...the emerging "one world" religion.

What I said here stands.

PoliticalVision
This LIE Schlafly propagates that "through speeches and regulations,

Regrading: Reply 29.

Phyllis told the truth. Obama did indeed omit the word Creator when quoting the Declaration of Independence and more than once. #36 ....You were unsuccessful in refuting that.  

lulapilgrim
And then there are Obama's 2011 and 2012 Thanksgiving addresses. George Washington advised Americans to set aside a day of public thanksgiving to God for the great favors He has bestowed on our Nation and the long series of presidents all made mention of God, but not Obama.

[quote who="PoliticalVision" reply="40" id="3320057"]"But not Obama?" Hmmmm, something tells me Phylis is lying to you again! In Obama's 2012 Thanksgiving proclamation, the President said, among other things, "On Thanksgiving Day, individuals from all walks of life come together to celebrate this most American tradition, grateful for the blessings of family, community, and country. Let us spend this day by lifting up those we love, mindful of the grace bestowed upon us by God and by all who have made our lives richer with their presence.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim Thursday, November 22, 2012, as a National Day of Thanksgiving. I encourage the people of the United States to join together -- whether in our homes, places of worship, community centers, or any place of fellowship for friends and neighbors -- and give thanks for all we have received in the past year, express appreciation to those whose lives enrich our own, and share our bounty with others." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/20/obama-thanksgiving-proclamation-2012_n_2166941.html[/quote]

First, Phyllis isn't lying. Phyllis focused on Obama's speech in which he quoted the Declaration of Independence. You weren't able to refute her point. I supplied these other examples of Obama's speeches and regulations..

Second. You are correct. Obama did mention God in the printed Thanksgiving address. (I didn't hear him give the address so I don't know what he actually said). I should have worded my statement more carefully. I should have said, "George Washington advised Americans to set aside a day of public thanksgiving to God, but not Obama".  Now that is true. Obama mentions God but not public thanksgiving to God. Key word: TO God.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/22/For-Fourth-Straight-Year-Obama-Thanksgiving-Message-God

 

on Feb 25, 2013

 

 

lula posts:

As far as regulations...

Without doubt, Obama enthusiasm for abortions and even supporting selective infanticide is the most radical yet.

That would be Obamacare and its implementation of the Health and Human Services mandate forcing Catholic institutions to pay for abortion-producing drugs, contraception and sterilization which is imo, unconstitutional because it abridges Catholic's freedom of speech and interferes with the free exercise of religion.

As he promised in his 2008 campaign, Obama wants to "fundamentally transform" America, and the mandate plays into Obama's war on Religious freedom. 

To "fundamentally transform" America from it's Judaic/Christian ethic and standards of morality as depicted by the Ten Commandments, he must violate or ignore the Founding documents.

So it's not surprising that those Christians who "cling to their guns and religion" get in his way.

 

PV replies:

LOL!  Like we've never changed our imagined "Judaic/Christian ethic and standards of morality," right?  It's not like we ended slavery, a practice fully endorsed by the Bible. It's not like we've advanced the same rights (at least most of them) for women as for men, such as giving women the right to divorce their husbands - or God forbid! The right to vote! And despite our "Judaic/Christian ethic and standards of morality," most of that stuff from the Bible, like stoning people to death for working on Sundays, never ever caught on despite our Judaic/Christian ethic and standards of morality." Not to mention divorce!

The truth is, people evolve, nations revolve. Conservatives fear progress, religious-right extremists are terrified of progress.  But despite all the whining, all the demonizing, all the self-righteous lies, all the fear tactics....it's not strong enough to stop progress. You may not like it, but, well, tough luck! That's the way it is - People evolve, nations evolve - just a cursory look at human history proves that.  So why live life in fear? 

on Mar 02, 2013

lulapilgrim
I can't find the quote feature!

LULA 38 posts:

Before giving a speech at Georgetown, he had his advance team drape over any religious symbols that might appear as a backdrop where he was going to speak. Obama made sure the IHS symbol, a monogram of the name Jesus Christ was not in sight.

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lulapilgrim
PV replies:

Oh my! Too bad Phylis censors what you read, or you would have read from CNSNews.com, which broke this earth shattering story, ""IHS" behind the president’s podium wasn’t visible, "the letters ‘IHS’ are posted elsewhere around the hall approximately 26 times" and that Obama mentioned Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount in his remarks. There are also religious paintings visible high above Obama’s head in MSNBC’s video of the speech." Did you watch the video? I din 't think so. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/obama-at-georgetown/[/quote]


 

Georgetown says it covered the name of Jesus to comply with White House request.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/georgetown-says-it-covered-over-name-jesus-comply-white-house-request-0

You say the letters were posted elsewhere! But so what if they were.  My point stands...Obama made sure that he and they were not shown together as long as the cameras rolled.

As for Obama's mention of the Sermon on the Mount.

 

Let's be clear. Obama didn't mention the name of Jesus during his address. He mentions the Sermon, but not Jesus.

“There is a parable at the end of the Sermon on the Mount that tells a story of two men…‘the rain descended and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house…it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock,’” Obama said.

“We cannot rebuild this economy on the same pile of sand,” he added. "We must build our house upon a rock. We must lay a new foundation for growth and prosperity a foundation that will move us from an era of borrow and spend to one where we save and invest, where we consume less at home and send more exports abroad."

BTW, that speech was about the economy given in 2009...

Here it is 2013 and we are still waiting for Obama to move us from an era of borrow and spending to one where we save and invest.

 

on Aug 15, 2013

Tuesday, August 13, 2013

Cristero Historian Jean Myer Laments What Alsacian Catholics Have Lost Since Vatican II

 

This is an excerpt from a NCRegister interview from June 2012.  Professor Meyer, an Alsacian descendant raised in the South of France, reminisces how that 50 years ago 100% (!!!!)of Alsacian* men and women went to Mass on Sundays.

>>>>>>>>>NCR:I think I read somewhere that you had, to some extent, a conversion yourself, in terms of philosophical viewpoint.

MYER: As a historian, I was a Marxist; so the agrarian problem was the key to everything, and I came with the idea, as I told you, that the few mentions of the Cristeros were that they were just the puppets of the landlords in order to impede an agrarian reform. Very quickly I discovered that it was not true. So I left my Marxist ideas and accepted more the … thesis that the superstructures may change the structures and not only the structures determining the superstructures.
And the deep Christian faith of the Mexican people confirmed
 my own Catholic faith personality.
I was educated as a Catholic in a very practicing family, and I never stopped being one, but I discovered a new dimension, because in France — in my France, because I was born in the south of France in Provence — in contrast with Alsace, in Alsace the churches were, it’s not true today, but 50 years ago, 100% of the men and the women went to Mass on Sunday … everybody was very religious.
But in Provence, it was very different. In Provence, maybe 20%, 30% were practicing. A very, very high practice for today, but I think that today 8% or 10% only. So, the Mexican people confirmed me in my Christianity.<<<<


Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-history-behind-for-greater-glory/#ixzz2buLEXUQS

*Alsace is a section of eastern France along the Rhein river, which has sometimes belonged to Germany