Is Judging One Another a Modern Sin?
Published on April 10, 2007 By lulapilgrim In Religion
Over the last few days, there have been some rather lively discussions concerning leading “unGodly” lives and obeying the Ten Commandments of Almighty God or not.

I want to thank THINK ALOUD for posting the following comment: “No one, not you not me not even Prophets and Messengers CAN validate any one of being Godly or not. God did not delegate that job to anyone and HE reserves that for HIMSELF ONLY.......

hope you get my point. Regardless of anyone's actions or ideas, being Godly or not is not anyone's but God's call.

every one has the right to explain their faith, however no one can make the judgement on whether others are a believer in God or not. ungodly is a very serious description.”


I'm glad that ThinkAloud brought this up because it goes to the heart of the matter and can be very useful in discussing whether or not we should, indeed have the right, to speak up to the words, actions and deeds of our political leaders, our sports and entertainment figures, our family members and friends, and even those here on JU who think that they can do their own thing or “say” whatever they want without any moral accountability.

Let’s start by turning it around to the positive. Certainly no one would object to someone saying, "So and so leads a Godly life" if thought it to be true? Why? Because it is a positive judgmental call. However, when someone correctly judges someone else’s behavior negatively, the sparks fly. Why? Should they? Do we have the right to judge or not?

We don’t like it when someone admonishes the sinner because that would be “judgmental” or “intolerant”. We don’t instruct the ignorant because people have to find out for themselves. We don’t seek to counsel the doubtful (sinner) because that would be imposing our moral view. No one likes to be told that what they are doing is wrong. Yet, believe it or not, these are acts of mercy and love that come in part from Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount where He taught the Beatitudes. For Catholics, these works of mercy come under the heading of loving the poor and also called “Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy”. These are charitable actions by which we come to the aid of our neighbors in their bodily and spiritual needs. The spiritual works of mercy include instructing (teaching), advising, consoling, comforting, forgiving, and patiently forbearing. Corporal works of mercy include feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and imprisoned, sheltering the homeless, and burying the dead. These charitable works don’t apply only to Catholics; rather they apply to all of us universally.

Here, the meaning of the word “poor” has a deeper, fuller meaning. It extends not only to material poverty but also to the many forms of cultural and “spiritual” poverty. A good example, is babies in the womb are “poor”. (When I write to my congressman and ask that he not vote for abortion, I am performing a spiritual work of mercy for the “poor” congressman and babe in the womb.) God blesses those who come to the aid of the poor and rebukes those who turn away from them. It is by what we have done for the poor that Jesus will recognize His chosen ones. St.Matt 25:31-36.

So, to answer my own question, we should charitably judge another’s words or actions (behavior). Speaking directly to being a Christian and referring to situations here on JU, our task is to speak the saving truth to them in charity and to call upon them to reform their lives.

All of us, Christians and non-Christians, most definitely are called to judge one an other’s behavior, actions, words, and deeds, BUT NEVER A PERSON’S THOUGHTS, CONSCIENCE, HEART OR SOUL AS ONLY GOD OUR CREATOR HAS THE RIGHT IN INFINITE JUSTICE TO JUDGE. So, yes, it is our rightful lawful authority to judge behavior. We do this day in and day out. This is the way we teach our children right from wrong, good from bad. This is the way the magistrates of the court operate and the basis of determining most of our laws and contracts....all are based on our words or actions. It is clearly incumbent upon us to judge.


Some of you will say, what about Jesus’ command to “not judge and you will not be judged” which is immediately followed by “Do not condemn and you will not be condemned”? Should we leave the way open for wrong-doing with impunity? No. The second phrase explains the meaning of the first one. Father Cantalamessa explained it this way. It does not so much remove judgment from our lives as it does to remove the poison from our judgment. That is, that part of our judgment which is resentment, rejection, and revenge, which often is mixed in with the objective evaluation of the deed. The word of God prohibits ruthless judgments, judgments that are merciless.

In a Jan. 2004, New Oxford Review article, Dr. R. Coomaraswamy, Professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University, NY wrote in part,

“Now, if we were not to make judgments, how could we decide to be Catholic versus Protestant or some other strange religion? It is clearly incumbent upon us to judge. There is a clear distinction between judging an action, and the motives behind such actions. We can clearly see the act, but it is difficult to understand what motivated it. In other words, we can judge the act, but not the soul, for it is in the soul that motives lie---the latter, thank God, is up to God.

.....Jesus’ statement in Matthew 7:1, Judge not, that ye be not judged is pertinent: “Christ does not here prohibit the public judgments of magistrates, by which they condemn the guilty and absolve the innocent, for this is necessary in all commonwealths, but only in private judgments, and that when they are rash, envious, or distractive, for such are repugnant to charity and justice...Hear St.Augustine (Serm.De Temp., 102) ‘Concerning those things, then, which are known to God, unknown to us, we judge our neighbors at peril. Of this, the Lord has said Judge not. But concerning things which are open and public evils, we may and ought to judge and rebuke, but still with charity and love, hating not the man, but the sin, detesting not the sick man, but the disease. For unless the open adulterer, thief, habitual drunkard, traitor [and may we add homosexual] were judged and punished, then that would be fulfilled which the blessed martyr Cyprian hath said: “He who soothes a sinner with flattering words, administers fuel to his sin.””
“Reprinted with permission from NEW OXFORD REVIEW, 1069 Kains Ave. Berkeley, CA 94706, USA.

Finally, there is the matter of self-judgment----one of the most important judgment calls that we all must render.


Many passages in Sacred Scripture indicate times when we must judge. From the Douay Rheims Version and the NAB these include:

1Cor.5:11-13--------- But now I have written to you, not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother, be a fornicator, or covetous, or a server of idols, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner: with such a one , not so much as to eat. For what have I to do to judge them that are without? Do not you judge them that are within? For them that are without, God will judge. Put away the evil one from yourselves.

6:1-5--------Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to be judged before the unjust , and not before the saints? Know you not that the Saints shall judge this world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things of this world? If therefore you have judgments of things pertaining to this world, set them to judge, who are the most despised in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so that there is none among you any one wise man that is able to judge between his brethren?

2St.John 10-11-------------------If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house nor say to him, God speed you. For he that saith unto him, God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works.

3St.John9------When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended about the body of Moses, he durst not bring about him the judgment of railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.

Leviticus 19:15------Thou shalt not do that which is unjust, nor judge unjustly. Shew neither partiality to the weak nor deference to the mighty. But judge thy neighbor according to justice.

19:17-------Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thy heart, but reprove him openly, lest thou incur sin through him.

St.Luke 12:57-59-----And why even of yourselves, do you not judge that which is just? And when thou goest with thy adversary to the prince, whilst thou art in the way, endeavor to be delivered from him: lest perhaps he draw thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the exacter, and the exacter cast thee into prison. I say to thee, thou shalt not go out thence, until thou pay the very last mite.

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on Apr 11, 2007
You can't force feed Jesus to people. It just doesn't work.


You are absolutely right. Lovable as He is, and as good as His teachings are for our happiness on earth, neither He nor His teachings can be forced.

Having said that, that doesn't mean that we never bring up His Holy name or talk about His teachings (from whence judgmentalism comes,btw. )Once they are given, it's up to the person---for which they are meant---to receive or not. If they open their minds and hearts, juuust a little smidgon, and ask, God are you there? Who knows what, how, when or in which manner He will answer....The point is that He will answer..whether in a dream, a knock in the head, or off a horse, or through an illness, or the eyes, or a word from a child or friend, and how incredible is that?
on Apr 11, 2007
TO; KFC

How many times does it say in the gospels...."and there was division because of him." Whereever he went there were followers...yes, but there were more that wanted him killed.


it says this many times. Certainly the Jesus of the Gospels produced division, as well as harmony. Those who in their own way discover enlightenment, or convince themselves that that have become enlightened, generally separate themselves from those who have not. Jesus is recorded as rebuking sin in many. But there is no record of him (at least, not in my reading of the Gospels) rebuking persons as ungodly. There were enough around for him to rebuke had he wanted to. He drew the scum of the earth to him like honey draws flies - and they remained with him.

As you say, there are not many recorded as being with him at the end. Which only goes to demonstrate how hard it is to persuade someone to change their lives, that it's not preaching and teaching by word that counts but the example of doing.

I don't say people shouldn't share their faith with others, or that people can't learn from those experiences. But I've grown very tired of teachers who know less than I do claiming the 'believer's authority' to teach what they don't understand, and which they misappropriate in the name of that spurious authority in order to present what's nothing more than a ragbag of social prejudices wrapped up in the wholecloth of religion. I've become very suspicious of those who tell me I should think their way is right because God told them so, and that I should think their way is right for me because they are telling me what God and the Bible told them.

And that if I don't get it or don't want it or if things go badly in my life it's my fault for not believing enough. As I said, it's more an attitude than anything concrete. And even if I went to the trouble of combing your articles for illustrations of it you wouldn't accept them. I wouldn't have, in my days as a zealot.

When you come to the crux of the biscuit it amounts to this: Christians know God and are right. Fair enough. It wouldn't be much of a faith if its believers couldn't say that. But try not to be so damn smug about it.
on Apr 11, 2007
Hi Lula,

Great first blog. You did a good job.



If you only knew how hard a time I had getting it posted!! The first time I tried, even though I read the instructions and thought I had clicked everything correctly, the first post came out with not a single space inbetween any of the words or paragraphs. I tell you, that sent me through a nervous loop.

I went through the process a second time changing some of the settings, and behold, this time it posted in multiples!!! Of those, I don't quite know what to do or how to delete. So, please, one and all, bear with me....as it took a month for me to just figure out this quote feature...and this isn't hyperbole folks, I promise.


on Apr 11, 2007
Don't sweat it Lula, there is a certain learning curve involved with anything new.
on Apr 11, 2007
When you come to the crux of the biscuit it amounts to this: Christians know God and are right. Fair enough. It wouldn't be much of a faith if its believers couldn't say that. But try not to be so damn smug about it.


hahaha.

That is perfect, cuts right to the heart, combining all these thousands of words on all the diff articles.

I shall remind myself of it every day.



on Apr 11, 2007
And the attitude that offends is that of someone who believes she knows something others don't and constantly congratulates herself because of it.


Exactly. KFC behaves as if she knows everything there is to know about Christianity and Biblical matters, and any time another person puts forth an opinion she spouts paragraph after paragraph of self-opinionated judeo-christian claptrap. NOBODY knows more about god and christ than KFC. NOBODY.

I suppose that she'll decide that these posts are her being persecuted for her faith. Ha. I don't think so.
on Apr 11, 2007
MasonMApril 10, 2007 21:20:48Reply #8
When one assumes the "right" to judge another it immediately begs the question as to what standard is to be used in this judgment. A magistrate judges based upon the rule of law. But upon what rules does a person judge another person?




Thank you, Mason, for welcoming me to JU and for your thoughtful questions. I don't know if I can properly or fully answer them, however, I'll try.

First of all and to back up, I weighed using the word "right" in the blog and decided to because I think more people would understand it better in the broader sense. Instead, I could also have used the word "authority" and it would have meant the same thing.

When we judge behavior, we enter the moral realm of judging good from evil, right from wrong. From the getgo, we are born with the sense of right from wrong, good from evil written on our hearts. We act upon this inner sense through our formed conscience which is tied to our intellect and free will. This is called the Natural or Moral Law and it is hardwired in us with no escape. Yes, we can dull or (ill-form) our conscience and harden our own hearts and that's another blog (one that I'll probably never write!).

The short answer is WE ARE GIVEN OUR AUTHORITY TO JUDGE OUR FELLOW MAN FROM GOD. With this right or authority of judging comes responsibilities, big time, which I've outlined in detail in the blog.

The long answer is we are always to use our authority or right to judge one an other based on the gold standard or God's standard which He lovingly gave us, namely the Ten Commandments. These are His guide rules on which we are to live our lives...and added to these, Jesus gave us a new command of love for God’s sake. He also gave us the Beatitudes on the Sermon on the Mount as guides for living our life as well.

Bear with me on this, Mason, because serious questions deserve serious replies. In this case, one that involves a little bit of Sacred Scripture that forms the entire basis of the premise.

"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been established by God.” Romans 13:1.

This Scripture states one of those fundamental and cardinal principles of existence: God Himself is the source of all authority. Just as He is the source of all life, all created matter and all spiritual substance and beings, He is also the source of all authority. Here, St.Paul is telling us that God Himself delegated authority to be used for all governing within our lives.

Authority residing with one and subsequently given to another to be exercised is called delegated authority. The Pharaoh did this with Joseph. The same type of delegated authority with King Nebuchadnezzar (glad I don’t have to say 3 times in a row) and Daniel.

There are certain truths or foundational principles upon which everything God created operates. Contained in these truths and principles there are 3 of delegated authorities which are the family, the Church and civil foundational spheres of government. Each sphere is intended to guide a specific area of man’s life function upon earth.

Mason, you wrote, “A magistrate judges based upon the rule of law.” and so from this we rightly understand that magistrate judges are a part of the civil sphere which get their authority to judge based on the authority they were given by God. If you think about it, every one of our just laws are based in one way or an other on His laws which are ultimate justice.

We all belong to the human family. Under God, the family structure operating in good order, is the vital element necessary for cultural and social health and welfare.

We can easily see how these 3 foundational spheres of life overlap.
on Apr 12, 2007
This whole thread is very interesting to me. In Zen we practice to see clearly, and by this we mean 'see without discerning mind.' Judgement, in the sense of moral judgement, separates us from one another. Moreover, one of our precepts is that we should not elevate ourselves by criticizing others.

This is not to say that judgements are not made, of course they are, but it is to say that the very act of judging is a sin that we should take as a practice opportunity.

Judgement clouds our mind and distorts our perception. A foundation of judging mind filters what we perceive and thus contributes to ill-informed feelings and bahaviors toward mankind.

As our Third Patriarch says:

The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart. If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinions for or against anything. To set up what you like against what you dislike is the disease of the mind. When the deep meaning of things are not understood the mind's essential peace is disturbed to no avail.

Be well.
on Apr 12, 2007
I suppose that she'll decide that these posts are her being persecuted for her faith. Ha. I don't think so.


soooooo what would you say this is all about then? It's certainly not encouragment. I'm noticing it's ok for all of you to judge me, assassinate my character and play the bullies. And you're all telling me I'm the bad guy? For what? Defending Christ? Believing the word of God is supreme? Shame on me. You Dharma have always waited until there's a mob mentality to jump on the bandwagon. You're doing that now, because I haven't talked to you in quite a long time. There's absolutely no reason for what you just said, other than to be hurtful.

I wish you would judge and comment on what I've said to you and how I have affected you in our personal conversations not on what I've said to someone else. And it's been months since I've even talked with you.

any time another person puts forth an opinion she spouts paragraph after paragraph of self-opinionated judeo-christian claptrap


and would you like to get me a link on this? Let's just start with you and I. Why don't don't you explain here in detail with a link where I've done what you just accused me of doing on your blog? I'll be waiting.

Besides, as a Christian, I am going to be coming from a Christian POV just like you are coming from where you believe and Sodaiho comes from where he believes. Lula as well...etc.

When you come to the crux of the biscuit it amounts to this: Christians know God and are right. Fair enough. It wouldn't be much of a faith if its believers couldn't say that. But try not to be so damn smug about it.


ok, fair enough. I'd like to ask tho, can you also give me an example of what you're accusing me of being so smug about? You just said this:

I don't say people shouldn't share their faith with others, or that people can't learn from those experiences. But I've grown very tired of teachers who know less than I do


so, it's ok for you to be smug? You are saying you "know" more than I"? Do as I say, not as I do type of thing? When have I ever said, I know more than you?

Is it because I've gone to scripture to get my answers? If so, isn't that a good thing? Isn't that using actions, not just words on my part? Isn't that showing you that I do have basis? I mean ....com'on around here all are spouting about "actions" not merely words right? So, I give you the actions by showing you where I'm getting my beliefs from, and I get damned for that even. So why bother?









on Apr 12, 2007
In Zen we practice to see clearly, and by this we mean 'see without discerning mind.'


I don't understand how you can see without discernment? What do you mean by that? To me to see is to be discerning and we use our minds to do it.

In the dictionary to discern means: "to perceive by the sight of some other sense or by the intellect; to see, recognize or apprehend. To distinguish mentally, recognize as distinct or different."


From a Christian POV we are called to be discerning. We're actually warned about this. For instance John (the Apostle of Love) said this in 1 John 4:1:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God, because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Discernment is the necessary element to be able to do this. We are called to be as wise as serpents but harmless as doves.

The writer to the Hebrews said this:

"Solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to discern good from evil." Heb 5:14.

I guess, I can't understand how one can really "see" without at least some discernment.


on Apr 12, 2007
From the getgo, we are born with the sense of right from wrong, good from evil written on our hearts. We act upon this inner sense through our formed conscience which is tied to our intellect and free will. This is called the Natural or Moral Law and it is hardwired in us with no escape.


I have to disagree with you on this one lula. I think that right and wrong are learned. We come into this world as selfish little creatures. Helpless, but selfish - our survival depends on it. Feed me, change me, hold me, love me – over and over again for years.

This continues but is modified as our parents and society teaches us what is acceptable and what is not. A majority of very young kids don’t naturally share their things, like toys and candy. In fact they’re primarily out for themselves.

I saw this first hand at the Easter egg hunt after Church on Sunday. The older kids who were twice as big as the little ones had no qualms about pushing them aside or grabbing the egg out from under them. Nope I don’t believe that we’re born with it. Kids only share because they know there’s a consequence if they don’t or if they have great parents from whom they learn by example (just like manners). As we get older most get a better sense of equality, justice and charity.
on Apr 13, 2007
Hello All,

I just want to let you know I appreciate all the comments and haven't forgotten any of you.

We had a 10 hour power outage and there's lots going on in the homefront.
on Apr 13, 2007
QUESTION OF THE DAY POSTS:
have to disagree with you on this one lula. I think that right and wrong are learned. We come into this world as selfish little creatures. Helpless, but selfish - our survival depends on it. Feed me, change me, hold me, love me – over and over again for years.

This continues but is modified as our parents and society teaches us what is acceptable and what is not. A majority of very young kids don’t naturally share their things, like toys and candy. In fact they’re primarily out for themselves.

I saw this first hand at the Easter egg hunt after Church on Sunday. The older kids who were twice as big as the little ones had no qualms about pushing them aside or grabbing the egg out from under them. Nope I don’t believe that we’re born with it. Kids only share because they know there’s a consequence if they don’t or if they have great parents from whom they learn by example (just like manners). As we get older most get a better sense of equality, justice and charity.




God created us in His image and likeness and called His Creation “very good” Gen 1:31. The Natural Law also called Moral Law is an internal principle (written on our heart) that inherently makes us tend towards what is good. It is the “good” that is in us from the beginning of Creation.

There is no doubt, QofD, that right and wrong are learned throughout our lives. At the same time, our conscious reasoning of what is right and wrong has to come from somewhere in order for it to be learned in the first place. That somewhere is an indelible part of who we are inscribed in our very nature. Man’s true inner nature is good and when he freely lives according to his true nature, he is good.

Even if a person doesn't believe in God or have any notion of God whatsoever, he still would know how to treat a person in a certain way through the realization of the Natural Law.


You say, QofD, that we come into this world as selfish little creatures. Helpless, but selfish - our survival depends on it. Feed me, change me, hold me, love me – over and over again for years.

I don’t see it this as so. Babies and very little children who can’t care for themselves aren’t selfish. Helpless, pure, innocent and totally dependent, yes. Babies naturally cry when they need something (for the good)i.e. to be fed or cared for. While in our fallen nature, we are prone to selfishness, it’s not inherent or instinctive; it’s learned. I won't debate this one becasue it could be a simple matter of defining what selfish means.

St.Thomas Aquinas' teaching of the N-Law is that we are made in such a way that we can discover truths about reality starting with information given to us by our senses. An example of that is when little children, toddlers, are approached or greeted by strangers. What do they naturally do? They turn from the stranger and recoil to the safety of their parents. This isn’t learned behavior; it’s the natural law in action.


Every one of us knows Natural Law intuitively...it’s just not apparent to us...we don’t think about it as such, yet it’s ever present. It becomes a clear right from wrong issue to us when it’s evident in a person’s reactions rather than by his actions.


Using your example of how the bigger, older kids (say 9 yr. olds)pushed and grabbed eggs from the little ones. Don’t you think that deep inside themselves in their heart of hearts these older kids knew they were doing wrong? I think they do.
Let’s take your example further. We’ll take the 9 year olds and place them in the same contest with older teenagers pushing and shoving them in the same manner. They would suddenly realize (the N-Law) the golden rule comes into play. “Do good unto others as you would have them do good unto you.”

Another example of the Natural or Moral Law of intrinsically knowing right from wrong is when we lie to someone (our action); but when someone lies to us, the N-Law becomes apparent, because being lied to upsets us as soon as we realize it (our reaction).

Because of free will, our formation, and learned behavior, etc., the Natural or Moral Law is not always the standard by which we treat others, it is, however, always the standard by which we expect others to treat us.

I hope this helps explain why I said we are born with the sense of right from wrong.

on Apr 13, 2007
Whip, that was a brilliant comment. Just brilliant.
on Apr 13, 2007
LITTLE WHIP POSTS:

I've said all I had to say (to you) on the matter, and you needn't worry about me confronting you again on your threads. In return, I would ask that you refrain from directly addressing me again on third party blogs. I'll grant you the same courtesy. I want nothing more to do with you, and will not respond to you again, here or anywhere else.



(I'm assuming,Little Whip, that your skit referred to KFC), if so

I was hoping you said what you meant and meant what you said when you posted this earlier in post #5.

In honesty, it's gotten to the point that your beating the drum on KFC's remark is tiring and worn out of usefullness at least in a positive way. KFC has explained what she meant by what she said, and you have written your own blog on what she said and what you think about what she said. What more needs to be said? What is the point in keeping this festering?

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