It does work and you actually contradicted yourself here because you are showing that you can do so.  I've known many people (including two of my sons) who waited until their wedding night.  Both of the girls were virgins as well.  My parents were virgins as well as many of the older generation when it was more acceptable.  Today, it's hard to abstain with all the sexually explict message our kids are receiving as well as a warped culture (so I'll grant you that) but it's not retarded and it's not impossible.  The last three weddings I went to the twenty somethings (all six of them) went to the marriage as virgins. 

What better gift can you give you wife someday but your complete self?  Why not wait until you marry?  It speaks volumes to the girl you marry someday. 

My sons were 23 and 26 when they got married and I can tell you their new wives are very grateful to them for not bringing any baggage into their marriage bed. 

Whereas sex is:

As well as a synonym for reproduction; whereas reproduction is:

So...having sex results in and is repdroduction which leads to new life.  Hmm, me thinks that is creating life.

Actually, there is. I'm assuming you raised children, correct? I'm sure there are times where you have had to make a choice on things, right? (no pun intended) Well, it seems the Supreme court believes that at least parents have the right to choose - when it comes to their child's education. ( http://www.ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2002/06/06272002e.html ) So if there wasn't the right to choose, then parents wouldn't have the right to choose.

So, by your logic - if there is no right to choose - then there is likely no free will, or freedoms. The right to choose, is in a sense a (moral) natural right because it existed before laws and is one that can stand on its own. It doesn't (in some respects) doesn't necesserily need a government or law system to affirm it.This ties into the right to life, liberty, and happiness/property. If we didn't have the right to choose,then how would we be able to enjoy those inalienable rights?

So frankly, you would be incorrect. While there isn't technically a legal right (save the SCOTUS decision), there is the natural right.

~AldericJourdain

HAHAHA, no i never got trained in abstinance... I came up with the idea on my own after doing some research. I got proper sex ed.

It is also not abstinance for virginity's sake, but for a specific goal where I Cannot be distracted by children at the moment. A temporary halt on sexual activity.

Yes, they took down perfect dictation.  God used imperfect humans to do this.  He always uses man for his purposes.  And no there's no inconsistances.  Not at all.  Man was created last after the beasts.  Read it yourself.  Tell me where it says man was created BEFORE the beasts.   You will find this in Genesis 1&2.  I know exactly what you're referring to but you need to read it yourself and not go by someone's opinion.  The first chapter is very clear day by day and exactly what and who was made on each day.  This is called chronological.  The second chapter zooms in from a topical POV and focuses more on what was about to happen (the pandora's box being opened).  This happens quite often in scripture and can be seen elsewhere. 

Some SS lesson.  What church did you go to that would say there are inconsistancies in the scriptures?  Sounds like the church (humans)  was off because  the scripture is not. 

it doesn't matter the motivation.  You're an example (however motivated) that abstinance can and does work....whether it be temporary or longer. 

abstinance and abstinance TRAINING are completely different things

Of course abstinance works, not putting your dick into any women prevents them from getting pregnant.

The issue is weather abstinance TRAINING works. Weather you can go to a school full of horny teens who have no reason to abstain, and lie to them about sex in order to trick them into not haivng any. The answer is no.

I disagree and disrespect every single aspect of abstinance training, thus it is obviously not an effective force in me making my decision. In fact it was very hard for me to make this decision because it was somehow associated with the retardation that is abstinance training, it is counter productive. I would have been MORE willing to abstain for a goal if there was no abstinance training out giving it a bad name.

leads to and creates are two different things.  Me thinks you are incorrect.

and you're wrong.  There are many teens who came out of public HS and the sex ed given there and STILL abstained.  Like it or not....you're an example.  Every virgin I've known that made it to the altar pure also went to a public HS.   So it does work.  You've been told (maybe by your parents or teachers) something else and they have deceived you because they have been deceived as well.   They've caved to the cultural pressure. 

When my son got married last year  he and his new wife had a ring ceremony that had nothing to do with exchanging wedding rings.  He and his girlfriend of four years had worn purity rings soon after they started dating.  At the reception they made an announcement that they were very proud to annouce that they did wait and said they are an example that abstinence does work.  They took off their purity rings right there in front of 200 guests.  They then walked over to the two dads and handed the rings to the dads.  My son gave his ring to her dad and the bride gave her ring to his dad.  People were wiping their eyes on the tablecloths.  I saw old men cry that day. 

After that many older people went up to tell my son they were also virgins when they got married.  Some had been married 40,50, 60 years.   He was very surprised to have seen that reaction. 

It's too bad but the younger generation are missing out something very special when it comes to their wedding nights.  For many it's nothing but a ho-hum experience.....been there done that. 

Once you cross the line you can never undo what's been done.  I taught my boys to say to those who might have lauged at their decision..."I can be you anytime I want....but you can never be me." 

lula posts:

By asking the question, evidently you still don't understand public school sex education!

For the last time.....yes, Obama fully supports what is called comprehensive "safe sex" education whose programs are on the basis or context that anticipates or assumes that "since kids are going to engage in sexual activity" anyway, they therefore must teach them to engage in responsible sexual behavior by using condoms or birth control devices.

Most of the sex ed curriculum uses materials, videos, activities and services provided by advocacy organizations like Planned Parenthood or its spawn, SIECUS who have a common political, ideological agenda and is financially vested in providing sex education programs. Most comprehensive sex ed programs require a smidgeon of abstinence education and by abstinence, I mean it emphases abstinence until the boy or girl decides that they are ready and birth control is used.

Sex education, since by design, is "value free", is not about teaching kids to abstain from sexual activity or about being chaste, not at all...rather it teaches students how to be sexually involved "safely"......

And we are seeing that the "safer sex" education is a total failure and disaster for our children. Sexually active pre-teens and teens are not a good thing particularly in the proliferation of sexually transmitted diseases, infections and pathology that follows like depression, less academic improvement and even suicide. 

Public classroom discussion of sexual matters destroys modesty and purity, the two natural protectors of chastity. 

KFC has done a great job defending abstinence until marriage education. Like her, rather than have my kids taught a curriculum whose very design gives rise to the use of condoms and contraceptives, I believe it wiser to stress the value of chastity by teaching, in depth, the gold standard----the physical, emotional, and psychological benefits of saving sexual activity until marriage.

loathe as i am to cite fox news, within the past week fox reported:

At least 24 states and the District of Columbia are moving from abstinence instruction to a more comprehensive approach that includes lessons about STD prevention and contraception, a massive shift away from the wait-until-marriage method pushed heavily by the Bush administration.

can't look at this page anymore.

someone--lula or alderic joudain--needs to edit reply #92 to fix it by removing everything between <!-- and--->

ONLY IF abstinance training has caused them to change their mind and decide to practice abstinance does abstinance training work. Every observation, statistic, and empirical study has shown that teaching abstinance only causes LESS abstinance and increases the rate of teen pregnancy and STD transmission, compared to teaching comprehensive sex ed. A person choosing to abstain after getting comprehensive sex ed is not an example of "abstinance only training works", if you honestly think it is, then we have nothing more to discuss.

And for the last time, telling people to have safe sex if they have sex is not the same as telling people not to abstain/commit chastity.

Teenagers aren't all going to be modest and pure little angels anyway. Better to keep them informed so that they're more likely to practice safe sex. Regardless, discussing such matters (or supporting the discussion of such matters) does not mean you oppose chastity. It would only be opposing chastity if you wanted schools to teach pupils specifically not to abstain, and to have sex before marriage.

Yes, that was exactly what I said... .

[sarcasm]Yes, it is ADMITTING there is a problem that causes the problem, if you only ignore it hard enough then it would go away![/sarcasm]

I saw this too, Kingbee. You are right, it needs editing or deleting.  With this new format, I don't know how to do that to someone else's post.